Comments for The Enterprise Mobility Forum http://theemf.org The official hub of The Enterprise Mobility Foundation Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:18:26 +0000 hourly 1 Comment on Some More Thoughts Regarding What COPE Means For Enterprise Mobility by kumar http://theemf.org/2012/02/15/some-more-thoughts-regarding-what-cope-means-for-enterprise-mobility/#comment-2175 kumar Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:18:26 +0000 http://theemf.org/?p=4412#comment-2175 WELL SAID... Consumerization and commoditization in enterprise mobility may have to wait for the saps, oracles, microsofts ...in enterprise space to be fully available on demand on cloud...we are in an era where an fb/twitter plugin in any enterprise app needs privacy justifications. Looks like tomorrows apps need to be BYOD aware along with IT. WELL SAID…
Consumerization and commoditization in enterprise mobility may have to wait for the saps, oracles, microsofts …in enterprise space to be fully available on demand on cloud…we are in an era where an fb/twitter plugin in any enterprise app needs privacy justifications. Looks like tomorrows apps need to be BYOD aware along with IT.

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]]> Comment on Some More Thoughts Regarding What COPE Means For Enterprise Mobility by Philippe Winthrop http://theemf.org/2012/02/15/some-more-thoughts-regarding-what-cope-means-for-enterprise-mobility/#comment-2174 Philippe Winthrop Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:30:42 +0000 http://theemf.org/?p=4412#comment-2174 Amen Amen

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]]> Comment on Could There Be a Better Way to COPE With BYOD In The Enterprise? by Philippe Winthrop http://theemf.org/2012/02/13/could-there-be-a-better-way-to-cope-with-byod-in-the-enterprise/#comment-2173 Philippe Winthrop Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:28:50 +0000 http://theemf.org/?p=4406#comment-2173 But Nick - because of the Consumerization of IT, isn't mixed use now a given? BYOD or COPE are just means of handling mixed use from opposite ends of the spectrum. The major difference is that I'll make the argument that COPE will allow the IT department to be more in their comfort zone. But Nick – because of the Consumerization of IT, isn’t mixed use now a given? BYOD or COPE are just means of handling mixed use from opposite ends of the spectrum. The major difference is that I’ll make the argument that COPE will allow the IT department to be more in their comfort zone.

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]]> Comment on Some More Thoughts Regarding What COPE Means For Enterprise Mobility by Walter Paley http://theemf.org/2012/02/15/some-more-thoughts-regarding-what-cope-means-for-enterprise-mobility/#comment-2172 Walter Paley Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:24:42 +0000 http://theemf.org/?p=4412#comment-2172 Couldn't agree more - the focus is on enabling the users with the best devices available. CoIT has gotten us to this point, now we have to embrace it. Whether they are company owned, employee owned or whatever, users must be able to choose the device that they are most comfortable with. And like you said, whether COPE, BYOD or Door #3, we must secure the corporate data without hurting UX. Ownership of the device really doesn't matter. In fact, once you add in alternatives like BYOD with company reimbursement, you realize that who owns it and who pays for it are just negotiable details. It is the Enterprise Mobility Management that is crucial to establish. Couldn’t agree more – the focus is on enabling the users with the best devices available. CoIT has gotten us to this point, now we have to embrace it.

Whether they are company owned, employee owned or whatever, users must be able to choose the device that they are most comfortable with. And like you said, whether COPE, BYOD or Door #3, we must secure the corporate data without hurting UX.

Ownership of the device really doesn’t matter. In fact, once you add in alternatives like BYOD with company reimbursement, you realize that who owns it and who pays for it are just negotiable details. It is the Enterprise Mobility Management that is crucial to establish.

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]]> Comment on Could There Be a Better Way to COPE With BYOD In The Enterprise? by Nicholas Turner http://theemf.org/2012/02/13/could-there-be-a-better-way-to-cope-with-byod-in-the-enterprise/#comment-2171 Nicholas Turner Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:01:09 +0000 http://theemf.org/?p=4406#comment-2171 Whether BYOD or COPE, the challenge is how to allow for mixed-use models - including a slew of governance, security, liability and privacy issues. Why allow mixed use? My wife's employer is a rather vast organization, and my wife exemplifies the problem that is getting worse and worse = "dead battery, at the bottom of the bag". How to solve the problem of mixed use? Virtualization solutions like Citrix have their place. For mobile, Dual Persona offers a compelling new option (and I readily admit to being purveyor of such!). Create 2 devices on 1 to accomodate the methods of use (business/personal). Attach different policies and security controls on each as appropriate to the method of use. Outside the USA, we're seeing tons of COPE. To Philippe's point, COPE and BYOD are almost opposites of each other... but they net to being "dual use" or dual persona. Whether BYOD or COPE, the challenge is how to allow for mixed-use models – including a slew of governance, security, liability and privacy issues.

Why allow mixed use? My wife’s employer is a rather vast organization, and my wife exemplifies the problem that is getting worse and worse = “dead battery, at the bottom of the bag”.

How to solve the problem of mixed use? Virtualization solutions like Citrix have their place. For mobile, Dual Persona offers a compelling new option (and I readily admit to being purveyor of such!). Create 2 devices on 1 to accomodate the methods of use (business/personal). Attach different policies and security controls on each as appropriate to the method of use.

Outside the USA, we’re seeing tons of COPE. To Philippe’s point, COPE and BYOD are almost opposites of each other… but they net to being “dual use” or dual persona.

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]]> Comment on Some More Thoughts Regarding What COPE Means For Enterprise Mobility by Roger Yang http://theemf.org/2012/02/15/some-more-thoughts-regarding-what-cope-means-for-enterprise-mobility/#comment-2170 Roger Yang Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:43:35 +0000 http://theemf.org/?p=4412#comment-2170 Most companies will end up with a blend of models for managing mobile, depending on the needs of their workforce. For example, field or outside salespeople who are mostly mobile are most likely to have corporate paid mobile devices, whereas desk-bound roles will fit a BYOD model. COPE may be a good model for "coping" with consumerization in corporate controlled devices. Of course, employees are still free to have a completely separate personal device, so COPE doesn't limit any options. Most companies will end up with a blend of models for managing mobile, depending on the needs of their workforce. For example, field or outside salespeople who are mostly mobile are most likely to have corporate paid mobile devices, whereas desk-bound roles will fit a BYOD model.

COPE may be a good model for “coping” with consumerization in corporate controlled devices. Of course, employees are still free to have a completely separate personal device, so COPE doesn’t limit any options.

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]]> Comment on Understanding The Difference Between The Consumerization of IT and BYOD by BHill http://theemf.org/2012/02/09/understanding-the-difference-between-the-consumerization-of-it-and-byod/#comment-2169 BHill Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:03:50 +0000 http://theemf.org/?p=4398#comment-2169 *Consumer :) *Consumer :)

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]]> Comment on Understanding The Difference Between The Consumerization of IT and BYOD by BHill http://theemf.org/2012/02/09/understanding-the-difference-between-the-consumerization-of-it-and-byod/#comment-2168 BHill Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:03:19 +0000 http://theemf.org/?p=4398#comment-2168 Philippe, this is a great write-up on the differences between the two. Thanks for putting this together. We get a lot of questions on the two topics, and I'll mention this post as a good reference on the subject. Also enjoyed the "IT-ization of the Cosumer"... Thanks! Brandon Hill - Wavelink Philippe, this is a great write-up on the differences between the two. Thanks for putting this together. We get a lot of questions on the two topics, and I’ll mention this post as a good reference on the subject. Also enjoyed the “IT-ization of the Cosumer”…
Thanks!
Brandon Hill – Wavelink

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]]> Comment on Could There Be a Better Way to COPE With BYOD In The Enterprise? by MobileAdmin http://theemf.org/2012/02/13/could-there-be-a-better-way-to-cope-with-byod-in-the-enterprise/#comment-2167 MobileAdmin Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:03:42 +0000 http://theemf.org/?p=4406#comment-2167 You raise a host of solid points and I'm unsure what is so invalid with my logic. The current BYOD agenda is employee driven and they wish to have their cake and eat it to. (my device, little security, use as I like) Which is how it should be - it's their device. My issue is now expecting corporate to foot the bill and mold a support strucuture around that. The issue is further complicated as it's not a cookie cut solution that works in every company. One company may provide stipend / reimbursement then next doesn't. So the concept of an employee that "brings their tech tools with them" can't be sustained. I don't understand this: "If a user has, for what ever reason, 2 smartphones in his pocket then on his personal time when he only has one with him, it’ll be the one on which he can do what he wants, ie his own smartphone. Most of the benefits of being always available will be lost. It’s strategic for companies to do whatever they can to make sure their employees are carrying the company phone with them at all times." 9 times out of 10 the personal device of choice is due to the corprate device isn't to their liking or they want a degree of privacy. You have that issue even if both devices are say an iPhone. The personal iPhone would be used as it allows them to do whatever they wish. The corporate iPhone could have restrictions etc. So Joe (Jane) User goes on a personal vacation to say Rome. They will bring their personal iPhone and answer work emails. Nothing is forcing them to do that, is the corporation now *required* to compensate the user for this unrequired access to email? This is the point I made that is very unclear from a compensation perspective with the work day bleeding into personal time. It's easy with hourly employees but for salary it's one of the reasons many employees carry two devices. Point 5 you make is a huge one for industries with sales staff. You raise a host of solid points and I’m unsure what is so invalid with my logic. The current BYOD agenda is employee driven and they wish to have their cake and eat it to. (my device, little security, use as I like) Which is how it should be – it’s their device. My issue is now expecting corporate to foot the bill and mold a support strucuture around that.

The issue is further complicated as it’s not a cookie cut solution that works in every company. One company may provide stipend / reimbursement then next doesn’t. So the concept of an employee that “brings their tech tools with them” can’t be sustained.

I don’t understand this:

“If a user has, for what ever reason, 2 smartphones in his pocket then on his personal time when he only has one with him, it’ll be the one on which he can do what he wants, ie his own smartphone. Most of the benefits of being always available will be lost. It’s strategic for companies to do whatever they can to make sure their employees are carrying the company phone with them at all times.”

9 times out of 10 the personal device of choice is due to the corprate device isn’t to their liking or they want a degree of privacy. You have that issue even if both devices are say an iPhone. The personal iPhone would be used as it allows them to do whatever they wish. The corporate iPhone could have restrictions etc. So Joe (Jane) User goes on a personal vacation to say Rome. They will bring their personal iPhone and answer work emails. Nothing is forcing them to do that, is the corporation now *required* to compensate the user for this unrequired access to email? This is the point I made that is very unclear from a compensation perspective with the work day bleeding into personal time. It’s easy with hourly employees but for salary it’s one of the reasons many employees carry two devices.

Point 5 you make is a huge one for industries with sales staff.

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]]> Comment on Could There Be a Better Way to COPE With BYOD In The Enterprise? by Philippe Winthrop http://theemf.org/2012/02/13/could-there-be-a-better-way-to-cope-with-byod-in-the-enterprise/#comment-2166 Philippe Winthrop Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:45:35 +0000 http://theemf.org/?p=4406#comment-2166 Thanks Mathieu! Much appreciated! Thanks Mathieu! Much appreciated!

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